Curse

Incarnite · Dec 03, 2007, 01:50 AM // 01:50

Submitting a build that I have found useful for AB, TA, and RA.
It's, what I believe, to be a better variant of Tramplix Ox/Shadow Prison build.

Illusion Magic: 11
Dagger Mastery: 11 + 1 + 1
Critical Strikes: 7 +1
Shadow Arts: 5

Skill:
Fevered Dreams{E} -> Applies conditions to all foes. And this hex lasts long.
Death's Charge -> Minor heal and helps you avoid damage.
Black Mantis Thrust
Wild Strike -> For all those bastard Mo/W and Rangers with tiger stance, lightning reflexes, etc...
Trampling Ox
Falling Spider
Twisting Fangs
Resurrection Signet(Optional for AB)

Equipment:
Zealous, Vampiric and Ebon 15^50 of Fortitude
Radiant, Attunements, and Survivors in the combination you feel best.

Advantages:
1. Pressures the whole opposing party with 4 conditions; Cripple, Poision, Bleeding and Deep Wound.
2. Easy to move on to next target, as they will already most likely be crippled, without applying the hex over(due to fevered dreams giving them crippled) Also note that crippled will be covered by poison, bleeding and deep wound.
3. Emergency heal in Death's Charge

Disadvantages:
1. No condition remover. Blind = you're out of comission for a while.

Variants:
Also note that Fevered Dreams can be replaced with an Elite Hex of your choice. I've experimented with: Shatterstone, Invoke Lightning (disadvantages of these two are that they don't last long). Power Leech is fun against monks. Siphon Strenth can be very useful against melees.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 01:54 AM // 01:54

why such a huge illlusion spec charging your elite when lasting is good enough?

also - you should switch some illu points to critstrikes for emanagement

Incarnite · Dec 03, 2007, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I personally never had a problem with energy. I didn't bother putting more on critical strikes because you gain 2 at 8attr, so 8 is the same as 12. This build can't accomodate 13attr to get the +3 energy. Zealous + +2energy gain on crit is enough emanagement for this build.

Incarnite · Dec 03, 2007, 01:58 AM // 01:58

and the reason i use 11attr for the elite is that i was experimenting with different elite hexes, so i figured i'd allow 11attr to be used for those hexes.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 01:59 AM // 01:59

its also extra dmg and deep wound duration for twisting fangs

Incarnite · Dec 03, 2007, 02:29 AM // 02:29

try out the build though, it's really effective and you dont need to reapply hex to get the chain going, since all foes should be crippled.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 02:31 AM // 02:31

TF is 15 recharge.
reapplying the hex should also be no problem with higher cirtstrikes

Incarnite · Dec 03, 2007, 02:33 AM // 02:33

well try it out with higher crit strikes, and tell me how it works.

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

maybe im not playing gw right now and watching the forums.
why dont you try it out on that matter - i am giving reccomendations and advice on your build,YOUR build and you are telling me to try it - unless i misread i dont want to test it because im not up for ab or anything right now anyway because its extremely late where i live

MercenaryK · Dec 03, 2007, 02:47 AM // 02:47

Um, his build is good, why are you riding on the higher Critical Strikes? He even has zealous weapon plus he suggests radiant/attunement on the armor. The next break point is 13 for 3 energy, it's not worth investing in to. And when using his entire combo he's got 10+5+5+5+5+10 = 30 energy to run the combo. That's not entirely bad due to the crits + e-regen + energy from armor.

I wouldn't drop points in Illusion just for Critical Strikes. If anything I'd drop Illusions down to say 5 to 8, that's 15-18 seconds. You shouldn't need the entire 21 seconds to pull off your combo. Maybe take points out of Illusion and max Dagger Mastery, or raise Shadow Arts and bring in a better self heal/shadow step.

moko · Dec 03, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by MercenaryK

Um, his build is good, why are you riding on the higher Critical Strikes? He even has zealous weapon plus he suggests radiant/attunement on the armor. The next break point is 13 for 3 energy, it's not worth investing in to. And when using his entire combo he's got 10+5+5+5+5+10 = 30 energy to run the combo. That's not entirely bad due to the crits + e-regen + energy from armor.

I wouldn't drop points in Illusion just for Critical Strikes. If anything I'd drop Illusions down to say 5 to 8, that's 15-18 seconds. You shouldn't need the entire 21 seconds to pull off your combo. Maybe take points out of Illusion and max Dagger Mastery, or raise Shadow Arts and bring in a better self heal/shadow step.

bold = indication of a bad build.

MercenaryK · Dec 03, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

So any build that includes Radiant Insignia & Attunement Runes is bad on an Assassin? What should they take instead, Survivors & Minors/Vita?

Tyla · Dec 03, 2007, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by MercenaryK

So any build that includes Radiant Insignia & Attunement Runes is bad on an Assassin? What should they take instead, Survivors & Minors/Vita?

rolling out as much survivability is ftw.
using just enough energy to pull off your combo is also ftw

Pyro maniac · Dec 03, 2007, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by MercenaryK

So any build that includes Radiant Insignia & Attunement Runes is bad on an Assassin? What should they take instead, Survivors & Minors/Vita?

actually, yes ...

MercenaryK · Dec 03, 2007, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Well, in an effort to tweak this build, instead of Radiant go with Survivor, that's what, +35 hp? And have a +30 hp mod on the weapon, not using anything above a minor rune you're at 545 hp... a mix of runes of attunement/vita/attribute would be acceptable wouldn't it?

So now I'm thinking, +2e vs +10hp rune against +5e vs +30hp. You're getting x3 life from the weapon mod, rather than x2.5 for the energy mod, it'd be sufficient to say to go with +30hp weapon mod instead of a +5e mod and go with runes of attunement, yes?

I understand having enough energy to pull off your combo, that makes sense. I have a Sin who has excess energy and often while waiting for lengthy recharges, or the target is near death, instead of auto-attacking I"ll spam my lead/offhand, which is normally enough to finish the kill, thus the excess energy is helpful; and I do have +30hp dagger and no minors, thus my life is not relatively low...

But what is low hp on a sin? Anything below 480, or below 510? Do sins want to survive through a large hp pool or to have enough energy to go through a combo and then some to finish off the target which doesn't die, say through a heal, prot, ect ect ?

Kale Ironfist · Dec 04, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

Energy and Health are different mods on weapons (energy is an inscription, health is the suffix).

You could swap out Falling Spider for Falling Lotus Strike. You slow down repeated attempts at the chain and lose out on the poison, but you're guaranteed to have the energy for Twisting Fangs. On the upside, you have more health in case you get targeted.

MercenaryK · Dec 04, 2007, 03:19 AM // 03:19

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Originally Posted by Kale Ironfist

Energy and Health are different mods on weapons (energy is an inscription, health is the suffix).

You could swap out Falling Spider for Falling Lotus Strike. You slow down repeated attempts at the chain and lose out on the poison, but you're guaranteed to have the energy for Twisting Fangs. On the upside, you have more health in case you get targeted.

DAMN!!! I didn't think of that! Well ......... it's not as if the 15% accounts for much damage on daggers. Some one on the forums calculated it out and there's a 4.8 dps difference between customized(or non-customized) daggers with no 15% damage to customized and 15% damage.

That could change some things of this build and adopt more survivor insignias or runes of vita.

majiger · Dec 04, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

just with insignia's and runes, u choose between 18enrg or 130 extra hp. This is just attunement and radient or survior, 4 vite and 1 sup vigor.

Now if u take sup dagger(i like 16mastery

) and then a minor shadow, that would give u 14enrg or 120hp, now i'd rather take energy, if u take the hp it'll cover the loss from the sup rune, also if ur daggers give +30hp, i'd rather take +5def, u get 150, subtract 75, u get 75 hp, meanin a total of 555hp.

IMO when choosing armor, i take radient on torso and leggings, +5enrg, the rest nightstalker for +15armor when attking, then the dagger with zealous, +5enrg, and +5def. But that's what i'd take.

Pyro maniac · Dec 04, 2007, 10:20 PM // 22:20

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Originally Posted by MercenaryK

DAMN!!! I didn't think of that! Well ......... it's not as if the 15% accounts for much damage on daggers. Some one on the forums calculated it out and there's a 4.8 dps difference between customized(or non-customized) daggers with no 15% damage to customized and 15% damage.

That could change some things of this build and adopt more survivor insignias or runes of vita.

bringing +5e is fine

Bobby2 · Dec 04, 2007, 10:55 PM // 22:55

I mostly run +5e daggers, full Nightstalker. Radiant suxxx.